Wednesday, November 19, 2008 at 12:06pm | 3 Comments | 0 Recommendations

Is Obama’s Black-Gay Marriage Doomed?

By Robert George

Prop 8 has blacks and gays squabbling like an old married couple.


Over at The Atlantic, Andrew Sullivan and Ta-Nehisi Coates have been involved in a debate on how much responsibility California African Americans bear for the passage of Proposition 8 — the referendum banning gay marriage. The referendum produced, dare one say it, strange bedfellows — the Mormon church was the measure’s big financial backer, and though it passed 52-48, black voters supported it 70-30 (whites split). However, given that black population in the Golden State is less than 10 percent, was that 70 percent figure enough to provide the winning margin?

The easy answer is no. Indeed, Coates explains why that is clearly not the case. It may be more accurate to say that the combination of black and Hispanic votes provided the margin. Still, this fact has caused many gays to be disappointed that the same blacks who turned out to vote for Barack Obama also voted against gay marriage — a movement pushed by a religion that blatantly discriminated against blacks until barely three decades ago.

Thus Andrew Sullivan’s frustration over the apparent level of homophobia in the black community.

He today links to a New Yorker interview of Prince, suggesting that the once-symboled one is anti-gay because he’s against gay marriage. Andrew links to another gay blogger who is stunned that Prince takes this position (so to speak) given his catalogue of explicit hits.

Andrew uses this as another example of homophobia in the black community. Now, we start to tread on shaky ground when we start using entertainers as “spokesmen” or “representatives” of one group or another. But, the clear mistake that both Andrew and Joe make is that they look at Prince’s old songs and draw a straight (ahem!) line between that Prince and this Prince. Well, this shouldn’t be much of a surprise, frankly.

When Prince became a Jehovah’s Witness nearly ten years ago, he renounced his explicit past. He stopped playing songs like “Darling Nikki”, “Sexy M.F.”, “Head”, and many more. As Ta-Nehisi says, isn’t it more likely that this religious conversion has more to do with His Royal (Formerly) Badness’ newfound sexual conservatism than his being black?

Well, duh. (Besides, his “Controversy” line, “Am I black or white? Am I straight or gay?” was about what other people say about him — not what he was advocating about himself.)

Ta-Nehesi also links to the unique history of African Americans that would make them culturally hold onto the traditionalist view of marriage more than whites (those in California, at least) at large. Ta-Nehisi’s right. Indeed, one should also keep in mind that, far from being contradictory, blacks voting for Obama and against gay marriage makes sense if one considers that blacks weren’t just voting for the man because of his color: They were voting for an intact black family in the White House. This was, arguably, an endorsement of a conservative black family structure. In that context, voting against gay marriage — from the viewpoint of the black family — is consistent.

However, there is a classic “forest for the trees” situation developing here. Gays rightly upset over losing on Prop. 8 launched protests across the country last weekend. There will undoubtedly be more in the coming weeks. But, ultimately, to what purpose? Do they want to draw Obama out on this hot-button issue? Will there be calls from gay leaders for Obama to “educate” blacks on this issue — even though Obama himself doesn’t support gay marriage (nor does Hillary Clinton or other top level Democrats)? Will there be moves to urge him to overturn the Defense of Marriage Act?

These questions are important because it was a gay rights issue that — seemingly out of nowhere — got the Clinton administration off on a rocky start. Biden talked about Obama being “tested” by a foreign leader. But as Clinton demonstrated in 1993, sometimes a new president can be “tested” by an unexpected domestic issue. A member of Clinton’s own party — Sam Nunn — as well as Joint Chiefs Chairman Colin Powell helped cut Clinton’s “honeymoon” short by forcing him to back down on changing the policy on gays in the military.

It would seem to this blogger that it might behoove both the incoming Obama administration and pro-Obama gay leaders to figure out in what direction the gay marriage issue is going lest history repeat itself — except in a potentially even more disastrous manner.

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  • 1

    Put to gay persons ( male male female female ) on the moon and see if they can make a child or will the both just die and put a end to life.

    > Hood

    Posted 11.19.08 at 10:04pm UTC
  • 2

    I don´t have fear of gays or any other people who want to call themselves anything other human beings. I think if the church was taken out of this subject most of the problems would go away were all human beings but we call our selves by so many names gays,black,white,brown,yellow,and so many other names the church has help turn us all into individuals living in particular countries belonging to a particular culture,a particular society,a particular religion,and so on. But with all this said i do believe in natural law just as gravity dictates what goes up and down i think the law of natural says we were put here on this earth by someone or somebody or something i don´t no. The law says we are here to reproduce and thats our function and thats whats everything living thing on this earth do over and over and over again. This the only problem i have with the gay community and marriage is not one of them but falling in love is also a law of natural with whom over you choose.

    > butch

    Posted 11.20.08 at 12:04pm UTC
  • 3

    You say Obama’s “black-gay marriage” as if somehow he created it. He will certainly inherit it and I expect that he will deal with it unlike his predecessors. In the meantime, it would behoove us LGBT folk, black and white, to just calm down and let it cue up with all of the other pressing issues on his plate. As we lick our wounds, we can’t put the blame soley on the upswing of blacks to the polls that defeated No on 2 in Florida and Prop 8 in CA. There is a lot of blame to go around, and much of it is our own. We did not do a good job of articulating a clear cohesive message to the electorate (irrepective of race) so we can’t blame them if they got it wrong or failed to step up in our behalf. We were disjointed and fragmented in our message. We need to do a better job at educating the electorate on the marriage issue and show them that the impact is just as disenfranchizing to heterosexual domestic partners as it is to same-sex couples. When people can see an issue as it relates to them and their interests, they are better able to empathize and identify in. We need to elevate the debate away from religious wrangling and argue it legal and civil grounds. Before we resume, We need to spend far more time framing the marriage debate in ways that educates on the facts and demystfies fears and myths. We didn’t do such a good job in Florida and I am not sure about California. We will get another stab at this. Next time, I hope that we are better prepared. As for the African American electorate, we will reach them when it becomes their sons and daughters who challenge them and finally convinces them to join the fight for marriage equality and not not a moment sooner.

    > Paul M Smith

    Posted 11.24.08 at 5:07pm UTC

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